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I've been thinking about the truly ugly immiseratng results of any of the three Republican frontrunners winning (don't be fooled by Kasich's apparent sensibleness -- almost any sane person would look good against Trump and/or Cruz), and what happens when my choice, Bernie Sanders, does not win at the convention:

I have to vote for Hillary Clinton despite her hawkish record, her support of transnational corporations against the people of many countries, of her support for miltary coups which end in nightmares of corruption, drug wars, death and terror for the people.

I made a joke when I said I no longer feel as bad as I used to because so often I fail to swipe my subway card in such a way as to get into the subway. Here is this privileged, conventionally successful woman, who seems and is in most ways competence itself, could not manage it.

Besides which, in novels I identify with the underdog every time. This might be the first time i have been able to warm to her. I do feel sorry for her each time I see her husband. I voted for him in 1992 but not in 1996. He's intelligent and decent, means well in many ways, but is an aggressive pugnacious thug at core.

So perhaps I should not have joked.

For the last few days the Washington Post has been featuring stories growing out of a study by Anne Case and Angus Deaton (Princeton economists) working and lower middle class white women are doing much worse than they used to -- while they still die at a later age than white men and black men and women and other minorities, statistics show a rise in all sorts of destructive behavior (drugs, drink, risky behaviors with men), and the gap is closing. These are directly linked to their status, lack of income; women living in more rural areas and small towns are especially prone to misery and earlier death. Age 45-54 is the worst.

An uptick in suicide among white women was another story. They are experiencing full force what black women in the US as a group have always known: asked to be responsible for families, left alone (divorced, separated, never married), in a centrifugal world, at the same time as they lack companionship and the things that are supposed to make others respect you.
I'd link a story about the rise of Al-Shabab in Somalia -- that means for women horrors women on these listserv can't begin to imagine -- terrible economic conditions.
Hillary Clinton is among the privileged of US society. I do know that I loathed her book, It Takes a Village because in it she shows disdain and contempt for women on welfare. She talks of children as a investment and actually at moments says the poor women should have their children taken from them if they are not bringing them up "productively." I admit I was not at all surprised when her husband with her public blessing destroyed welfare. I was never fooled that it was for these women's good -- this is the idea of "tough love," yes let me thrown you out and you will be better off eventually. The idea was to stop paying women with children who couldn't get a decent job and that is what was done.
It does worry me that on two of the listservs I post to, the two where I think there are people involved, who read what is written, immediately negative reactions emerged. I read that Virginia is a red state when voter turnout is low, a blue one when it's high. That means only fear (justified) of Cruz and/or Trump might bring out people voting for Hillary but in my experience what brings people out is they do want the candidate on the ballot.
I've never voted for Hillary Clinton when any voting came to Virginia where her name was there. I voted for her husband the first time round, not the second. But this is typical for me when it comes to democrats. I voted for Carter the first time round, not the second. I never got a second chance to vote for McGovern. Each time the democrat had proceeded to betray his constituency.
I have been less dismayed by Obama, far less, and have found the virulent racism which confronted him from day one so that everything he did was opposed by groups of powerful white men in the US gov't -- just now they have fielded a candidate for the supreme court part of why I excused him more. I don't remember him doing anything as terrible as getting rid of bank laws needed, destroying welfare and mass incarceration. He has not ameliorated things anywhere near he ought to have; he has not tried at all for real to change the capitalist mindset of this country, and only moderated the militarism and fascism. But I voted for him a second time.
Paradoxically the Washington Post stories suggest two courses of action for women: one, move and move to cities where there is amelioration, parks for example, and two, never marry, don't have children (two of the things cited in the stories that do give women satisfaction when things go well).

But now I will vote for her because the alternatives will mean yet much much worse lives for women. Throw them in prison if they attempt to control their bodies. I've heard and read the reason Trump's remark that women should go to prison who have abortions resonated so is it is a majority opinion among Republican men and Republican women know it.

It's not much of an underdog moment but it will do.

Miss Drake


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Apr. 10th, 2016 11:09 pm (UTC)
A friend is "glad you feel this way"
Catherine C: "Glad you feel this way."

Me: Well I would have voted for her for herself - her long record and her very real feminism, but now I can warm to her too. She's not yet ripe for a novel; let's hope not, let's hope she wins and then is a candidate for the serious biography ....
Apr. 10th, 2016 11:12 pm (UTC)
With me all the way
My cousin:

Pat Honaker: "I'm with you, Hillary all the way. GOP very very scary."

They are terrifying: Trump could start a nuclear war; he is lawless; the first people he decides to pick on are poor Mexicans who live and work in the US and send money home -- he would then interfere with the US mails; I can see Cruz depriving us similarly under cover of law (it would just take longer); Kasich does not have a good record on economic issues for the average person and has been corrupt in Ohio; he has not run it well at all.

Pat: They talk about the Mexican: I've seen how hard they work in Arizona. If not for them fruit would not be picked. In Az they work on the road crew in hot sun all day. White men would not.

Me: Very hard working and for little pay.

Edited at 2016-04-11 01:15 am (UTC)
Apr. 11th, 2016 01:17 am (UTC)
Hillary having trouble ...
Seriously it is very scary the possibility of a Trump or Cruz presidency. Either in office could ruin the communities we live in and that would ruin our lives.
Apr. 11th, 2016 01:29 am (UTC)
Anti-Hillary but will still vote for her
I lived through the embarrassment of the open zipper presidency and while he was preferable to either of his gop opponents, I will NEVER forgive him or his wife for the way they treated Monica Lewinsky, if ever there was a case of power abuse over a subordinate it was this one, but did the feminist community stand up for her? NO, they acted like men and defended the predator. All of them have lost their credentials in my book.

And I am still waiting for Clinton to release those transcripts of speeches to Goldman Sachs. We all know what a hypocrite she is, she won't do it because she is NOT one of us, no matter how much pandering she does.

And her husband's crime bill is still hotly debated here in the US as racist.

Also when Clinton was in the white house, she was against a bad bankruptcy bill but once she was in senate and needed banking money, suddenly she was for it. This is all in Sen Elizabeth Warren, the real progressive's book on banking and the two family income.
Apr. 11th, 2016 11:52 am (UTC)
Anti-Hillary but will still vote for her
I agree with Penny too: the Clinton record (the pair of them) includes much that is reprehensible. I have no particular identification or concern for Lewinsky: I wish I had the language of a Samuel Johnson to suggest how I look on the kind of ambition that allows itself to enter these sordid doings: given human nature, the way men regard and try to exploit women's bodies and youth, nothing in it was a surprise to me: only that the incidents came out. My guess is this kind of behavior goes on regularly among these people when it comes to sex -- the little my older daughter told me about her experience of trying to make it as an actress confirmed this (she soon got out and choose another profession).

Apr. 11th, 2016 01:31 am (UTC)
What a friend noticed
Here's what I have noticed about the TV news coverage of the Democrats in New York.

On Thursday we saw two scenes centering on the subway: Hillary couldn't get her card to work and had to scan it four times (making her look incompetent; it could happen to anybody but why did they give her a card that didn't work?), and Bernie because the New York Daily News asked him how to take the subway so they could prove he didn't take it and he mentioned tokens. So that's what it comes to! The fucking subway! Yes, let us hope they all take the subway everywhere. How absurd! I doubt the Repubs do.

God, It looks like they'll be running against Trump, doesn't it? but I am trying to block all the news about the Republicans because it's so upsetting. Can you believe he said (and then retracted) that women should be punished for having abortions?

I'm thrilled that Bernie is still in the race. Yes, I'll vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination, but I do wonder if she can beat Trump. It's been such a near thing against only one candidate in so many primaries.

I suppose New York will be a great deciding point. I know she has all the super delegates, but if she couldn't even win Wisconsin, the state with the most conservative redneck governor ever...
Apr. 11th, 2016 11:48 am (UTC)
A French friend
Mes voeux l'accompagnent. I, too, am with her all the way to her success in the end. Max
Apr. 11th, 2016 12:59 pm (UTC)
Agree with Penny
Alas, I agree with Penny. There is also the issue of Hillary's e-mails, for which there is rumor of a possible indictment, although others in Obama's administration used their private servers for classified e-mails also. For a feminist, my not voting for Hillary seems like a betrayal to my gender except for the reality that she lives in a patriarchal world and behaves like a man, too. Depending on your state, there is a choice. In my state, Illinois, Jill Stein of the Green Party will be on the ballot in November. At least I can vote my conscience rather than the lesser of two evils. But what a dilemma. Jeanne
Apr. 11th, 2016 12:59 pm (UTC)
Re: Agree with Penny
Women are doing appallingly badly in the US as a group, but not to vote for whoever is the democratic candidate -- Bernie or Hillary -- is to put a Republican in power. And then we will see all women destroyed. Trump will put women in prison who have abortions. No control over our bodies is what is aimed at here.

Does she address the questions that make women do badly? I agree not. She does not begin to recognize that women are not to blame for their failures -- that is seen Writ Large in her first book. She does address them indirectly if she would follow through on jobs and education programs but I doubt she'd understand what gets in the way of a well educated woman getting a well paid job or respect.

I watched an interview beween Bill Clinton and Amy Goodman done some years ago -- he was still president. When she persisted in asking awkward questions, he turned abrasive, aggressive, obnoxious, began to insult her. It was the first time truly I had ever watched him.

Sometimes to me it seem that only since Jim died do I pay attention to people. I thought his behavior insulting and wondered to myself, Is that how he rose to power, knowing when and whom to insult and how at the right moment? And Hillary didn't mind. I remember her sneering at the suggestion that her quangos for health care would demand a person be aggressive as in an interview to get decent health care under her scheme. Sneering at such people.

But I will vote for her against the republicans in the general election. I guess my joke that finally she can be an underdog had more resonance than I thought.
Apr. 11th, 2016 08:19 pm (UTC)
More ambivalence from feminist standpoint
Hilary: Many of us admire her, but I find her driving ambition & tolerance for Bill & his shameful behavior all quite off-putting. She's v. calculating & strong ~ not quite Lady Macbeth, but there's a whiff there. She humiliated herself by not dumping him, she kept him around for purposes of career advancement (she was 'stronger' a career presence with him). Many women, esp feminists, share that view. I admire what Eliot Spitzer's wife finally did: she got rid of the weasel, but (sadly) she stood alongside him at the public press conference (that sent an insincere signal of support, sad to have seen that, and, my, she looked perfectly awful, so distressed & rung-out; I crossed paths with her in NJ a few times). A long chat, this subject, Must return to a looming deadline, 'bout midnight this v. day. Smiles ...
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